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Added 2013 April 6th  


THEY DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHICH KNOT THEY REALLY MADE :


Nautile's HELP FOR ALL THOSE DUMMIES who write NONSENSE POSTS
about the NAME (simple ignorance ) and the TYPE ( ignorance, stupidity and
contamination of other persons! )  of the knots they expose:



Michel SINCE sent me a knot ( 50L 8B ) TWO-STRAND  which is perfect for a lesson about

GAUCHO Knots , HEAD-HUNTER Knots, FAN  Knots

and

GAUCHO ¨PATTERNED Knots BUT NOT GAUCHO KNOTS,
        FAN PATTERNED Knots BUT NOT FAN KNOTS,
               HEAD-HUNTER PATTERNED Knots BUT NOT HEAD-HUNTER KNOTS

This is in direct relation with the topic just under this one.


Making the same absurd confusion about using PATTERN for identification and naming allowed me to discover several new species of  ZEBRAS never discovered by naturalists, I even found a "mutant" with dark brown stripes !

Well saying that
a 2-STRAND SEMI-REGULAR CYLINDRICAL KNOT
sporting a Gaucho PATTERN
IS REALLY a Gaucho KNOT (which is a  SINGLE-STRAND REGULAR
CYLINDRICAL KNOTS)  is just as  stupid as my new zebras are !


Here is the .ARI file to be opened using software ARIANE.

Here is the picture of the Michel's knot in the cordage


GAUCHO, HEAD-HUNTER, FAN  KNOTS are
REGULAR CYLINDRICAL KNOTS  COLUMN-CODED

( horizontal mandrel frame of reference ) they  are so
SINGLE-STRAND
.


If they are NOT single strand then they are NOT GAUCHO KNOT, HEAD-HUNTER KNOT, FAN KNOT.


SEMI-REGULAR CYLINDRICAL KNOTS are MULTI-STRAND ;  each
strand is following the CORDAGE ROUTE of a REGULAR CYLINDRICAL KNOT.

That they have, say a GAUCHO PATTERN does not make them a GAUCHO KNOT!

GAUCHO KNOT is a PARTICULAR CORDAGE ROUTE AND A PARTICULAR CODING PATTERN NOT JUST the PATTERN. Same thing fro FAN knots, HEAD-HUNTER knots or any other RegularCylindrical Knots.
(Read  in Turkshead_28 the topic on cordage route, coding pattern and colour pattern)




here is a full illustration that should teach you how to differentiate those pattern and knot.


Read MODULARITY     http://tinyurl.com/ck5zl74  ( extracted from last topic down the page in Turks head_27 )  to get "general" formulas as I illustrated only the 2-PASS-based cases.



A VERY USEFUL GIFT :
MICHEL SINCE
undertook to reproduce, using RKnot Builder ( Claude HOCHET's
software for Regular Cylindrical Knots) : all the grids that are in  SCHAAKE-TURNER -SEDGEWICK  book BRAIDING REGULAR KNOTS (published in 1988).

Those new tracings are more pleasant to the eye than the original ones.

Regular Knots PDF ( just a bit over 1Mo)

REGULAR (SINGLE-STRAND ) CYLINDRICAL KNOTS
(using horizontal mandrel frame of referrence : bights are on left and right side )
TURK'S HEAD Knot, (Row AND column coded)
        GAUCHO Knot, RING Knot,  (Column Coded)
                FAN Knot, BOTON ORIENTALE knot,  (Column Coded)
                        AZTEC-FAN Knot,  (Column Coded)
                                HEAD-HUNTER Knot,  (Column Coded)
                                        GINFER Knot,  (Column Coded)
                                                SAMUEL Knot,  (Column Coded)
                                                        PERFECT HERRINGBONE Knot, (Row-Coded)
                                                BEVERLEY Knot, (Row-Coded)
                                        SLOW HELIX Knot, (Row Coded)
                                FAST HELIX Knot,  ( Neither Row Nor Column Coded )
                        BASKET    WEAVE Knot, ( Neither Row Nor Column Coded )
                some other  ROW-CODED Knots.


Each and every knot-tyer should study SCHAAKE and TURNER's  works before
writing stupid posts.

See page 75 of BRAIDING REGULAR KNOTS
See page 77 of BRAIDING REGULAR KNOTS
See GAUCHO KNOT from The Braider by Schaake      BIG       Small
See HEAD-HUNTER KNOT and FAN KNOT from The Braider by Schaake BIG Small



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Added 2013 April 3rd


DUMB IGNORANT ( all ignorant are not dumb ! ) PLAYING AT "SAVANT
AND CONTAMINATING NAIVE IGNORANT PERSONS WITH THEIR FALSE
KNOWLEDGE



Each and every knot-tyer should study TURNER and SCHAAKE works before
writing stupid posts contaminating other innocent persons with their egregious ignorance.

See page 75 of BRAIDING REGULAR KNOTS
See page 77 of BRAIDING REGULAR KNOTS
See GAUCHO KNOT from The Braider by Schaake      BIG       Small
See HEAD-HUNTER KNOT and FAN KNOT from The Braider by Schaake BIG Small




Culprit WAS SHOWING  a 2-STRAND knot saying with undue insistance and hiding
behind a so called "expert"" ( good at tying but lousy at nomenclature) it is a FAN
.


First strictly understood FAN KNOTS are REGULAR CYLINDRICAL KNOTS so
SINGLE-STRAND
but let us forget this (very important) point atthe moment.

Second : there can be NO LEFT or RIGHT FAN KNOTS as both sideS of a  real
FAN KNOT are identical so how CAN you decide on RIGHT and LEFT.
See this illustration about the utter stupidity of such a concept.

Three : some dumb ignorant speaks of GAUCHO-FAN, thereCAN be  no such thing :
either it is  GAUCHO or it is FAN but GAUCHO-FAN is nonsensical or absurd.



It is not wrong not to know ( if you know how to shut up ), what is wrong, deeply wrong is to open one's big mouth when being an ignorant pretending to be a savant and so contaminating other persons with a false knowledge.  
Myself I can, some times, be mistaken but I am usually quick to make a correction and then to warned all that I pushed in the wrong direction by being mistaken.
Never take, from any one, what is given to you as "absolutely true" , at best it is
"absolutely honest" but honesty and sincerity does not make TRUTH.

When you don't know for sure just stay "simply, basically descriptive" but NEVER give a false name or type: saying 50L 8B 2-STRAND THK ASSEMBLY cannot be faulted for exemple but saying FAN KNOT could !



Such persons should read MODULARITY     http://tinyurl.com/ck5zl74  ( extracted from last topic down the page in Turks head_27 ) to be, may be, if they can understand what is told, a bit less prone to contaminate others with their false-knowledge.

What is shown by that silly poster is a
(U2-O2) 2 times , U1 one time    
so NOT a GAUCHO KNOT,
                                            NOT
a FAN KNOT,
                                                                       and NOT a HEAD-HUNTER  KNOT 



ALL REGULAR CYLINDRICAL KNOTS SO SINGLE-STRAND !
(control that with MODULARITY in case I mistyped )

(
Ux - Ox) m times +  (Ux)  n times == TURK'S HEAD  with x=1 and n=1


and with x greater than 1

(Ux - Ox) m times == GAUCHO

(Ux - Ox) m times , (Ux ) one time == HEAD-HUNTER 

and  mirror Head-Hunter knot ,  (Ox ) one time , (Ux - Ox) m times

(U(x-1) - Ox-1) one time, (Ux - Ox) m times , (U(x-1) - O(x-1)) one time == FAN

I will let alone AZTEC, AZTEC-FAN and HYBRIDS without name  that you  can
study in MODULARITY. http://tinyurl.com/ck5zl74  

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Let us tackle again the case in point but not using abstract formulas.

Let us chose 2-PASS


KNOT SHOWN is U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U1  


GAUCHO KNOT ==     a "round number" of  ( O2-U2 ) or of (U2-O2)
U2 - O2 - U2 - O2  or  U2 - O2 - U2 - O2  - U2 - O2

FAN KNOT ==    ONE time (U1) +  a "round number" of ( O2-U2 ) + ONE time (O1)  
so FAN ==  U1 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O1  
or
ONE time (O1) +  a "round number" of de U2-O2) + ONE time (U1)
so  FAN ==  O1U2 - O2 - U2 - O2U1  

The knot shown   U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U1   is at best  an AMPUTATED FAN PATTERN so you see it is absurd , in order to express the side that was not amputated, to say RIGHT FAN or LEFT FAN as if you turn  a RIGHT by 180° it is now a LEFT !      
O1
 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2


The knot  shown  by the culprit could (falsely) be seen as a variation of FAN PATTERN or a variation of HEAD-HUNTER PATTERN or a variation of GAUCHO PATTERN :
hence I see it as a "NO NAME SEMI-REGULAR CYLINDRICAL KNOT and you can have it in four flavours.

ONE time (U1) +  a "round number" of ( O2-U2 )
so    U1 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U2

a "round number" of ( O2-U2 ) + ONE time (O1)
so    O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O1
of course those two above are  just the same knot turned 180° hence the absurdity of trying to call it RIGHT FAN

ONE time (O1) +  a "round number" of (U2-O2)
 so  O1 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2

a "round number" of ( U2-O2) + ONE time (U1)
 so  U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 U1
of course those two above are  just the same knot turned 180° hence the absurdity of trying to call it LEFT FAN



HEAD-HUNTER KNOT would be

ONE time (U2) +  a "round number" of ( O2-U2 )
U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U2

a "round number" of ( O2-U2 ) + ONE time (O2)
O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2
of course those two above are  just the same knot turned 180°


ONE time (O2) +  a "round number" of U2-O2)
O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2

a "round number" of ( U2-O2) + ONE time (U2)
U2 - O2 - U2 - O2U2
of course those two above are  just the same knot turned 180°

I hope that now I am clear ? ( just hope I did not mistyped something ! )

The knot shown is a "NO NAME  SEMI-REGULAR CYLINDRICAL KNOT"




Same  profoundly dishonest act of intellectual contamination it would be if
 for this other knot someone were to be ignorant enough to call it a GAUCHO Knot or
a FAN knot; or a HEAD-HUNTER knot.

It is  a (U1-O1) + 9 time (U2 - O2 ) + (U1-O1)


a GAUCHO KNOTwould be  11 time (U2 - O2 )  made by a SINGLE-STRAND.

A FAN  KNOT would be   (O1) +  9 time (U2 - O2 )  + ( U1)  made by a
SINGLE-STRAND.

A HEAD-HUNTER KNOT would be 10 time (U2 - O2 )  + ( U1)  made by a
SINGLE-STRAND.


Again a NOTHING, NO NAME  SEMI-REGULAR CYLINDRICAL KNOT if I am
not mistaken


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