SHORT NOTES ON THE SO-CALLED HERRINGBONE PATTERN
In
architecture
the PSEUDO
FISHBONE pattern (“arête de poisson”, the so-called
herringbone of
the English speaking world)
should be Opus piscatum alas this does not exist
except as elucubration on the Net but Classical Architectural Texts and Treatises ONLY KNOW mention opus spicatum as a well known feature.
PISCA = FISH SPICA = WHEAT EAR
Please
have a
look at those architectural details
http://www.lunas.org/histoire_de_lunas/histoire_ndnize2
http://www.montjoye.net/Ivry_la_bataille_chateau
Why
the English
world chose herringbone rather than mackerel or sardine bones is still
a mystery to me.
We
French, much
more open in our options, just say ‘fishbone’ or ‘arête de poisson’
any fish
will do, not limiting ourselves to herring !
May be that has to do with our very different cooking style
!
The
fishbone PATTERN (OK herringbone, it is) can
have no
less than four
orientations.
This
fishbone pattern is common to :
--- so
called STANDARD
HERRINGBONE
knots,
--- knots
with a herringbone PATTERN whether they ARE PINEAPPLE or they ARE
NOT PINEAPPLE.
The above cited knots are INTER-BIGHT-RIM coded (row code” for horizontal mandrel, column coded for vertical cylinder ) , but another type of knot the so-called GAUCHO knots which are PARALLEL-BIGHT coded (column coded for mandrel, row coded for cylinder) can be considered to offer a herringbone pattern.
For the INTER-BIGHT coded the tail of the fish is on one BIGHT-RIM and the head is on the other.
For
the PARALLEL-BIGHT
coded the fish is eating its own tail.
The
nested 'V' series that form the PATTERN can be made
by nested-bight
as in the
HERRINGBONE PINEAPPLE or, it can be made in the total absence
of nested bight
as in STANDARD HERRINGBONE knots, other INTER-BIGHT coded knots with
a fishbone
PATTERN, or the GAUCHO.
Using the PATTERN only (that is the final fixed state of a process of coding the knot) without taking on account the process itself (process being a temporary state that disappear once the final fixed state is attained) is always a silly way to go as that is equivalent to be doing very bad phenetics which is rather to be avoided as far as well thought nomenclature is concerned.
ASHLEY shown some knots with the so-called herringbone pattern.
#1290. Herringbone weave Which is multi-strand and INTER-BIGHT coded.
#1291. Herringboning, parallel with the length of the knot which is PARALLEL-BIGHT coded.
#1292 Herringbone weave by another method which is multi strand and PARALLEL-bight coded
#1300 #1301 #1302
#1589 A Herringbone shroud knot which is PARALLEL-BIGHT CODED.
Bruce
GRANT
(who left this world in 1977 ) wrote in ENCYCLOPEDIA
of
RAWHIDE AND LEATHER BRAIDING
(a must have book even if the drawings are not always that easy to
follow) writing at a time when there was no real interest in
the
knot-tying
world about
correctly thought about nomenclature (not that nowadays there
is
much
of
that if believe the
‘sottises' without number I saw , pardon I still see written
or
illustrated by photo with mistaken label of the knot shown in forum
posts and web pages ! )
* 414-415-416-417 (even 418 419 ) HERRINGBONE knots.
They are with a herringbone pattern ,
inter-bight coded multi-strand except so-called
BRUCE's and CATHARINE's that are
single strand.
In pages 420 and following he makes clear distinction
and label pineapple or gaucho knot (only now the gaucho has another
connotation
for us : a pattern rather than a name) one with NESTED
BIGHTS.
GRANT
clearly
states :
“Where
the
herringbone knot ( Plate 171 – page 415) was an
interweave of two
turk’s-head
of the same number of part and bight, the pineapple knot is an
interweave of
two turk’s-head of the same number of bights but different number of
parts”
Very well observed that is sure; wish
that the multitude that is naming a Pineapple a
Herringbone or vice
versa could put that painfully simple words in their brain for keeps !
(well SCHAAKE & TURNER are an awful lot more rigorous. It seems
to me that
SCHAAKE had respect for
GRANT’s work.)
GRANT also shows (pages 424 and after ) the FLORES BUTTON knot, a single strand knot which has a herringbone pattern INTER-BIGHT coded.
He
also shows (p
426, 427,) a single strand
PARALLEL-BIGHT
coded herringbone
patterned
knot : the small FAN KNOT ( see also p 430 – 431 )
Pages
432-432
Grant shows THE
PERFECT PINEAPPLE a
single strand knot with a
herringbone pattern , INTER-BIGHT
coded with NO
NESTED BIGHT. NOT having any nested-bight it cannot be a
Pineapple perfect or
not and it is not a HERRINGBONE knot either as it has none of the
characteristic
bight
rim, but it is simply a knot with a herringbone
pattern.
The
HER3 RPL program I
wrote for the HP48GX can only
treat the coding of each
half-period of STANDARD HERRINGBONE
KNOTS. (see Publications_3 in my
web pages).
This program does that by strictly following the algorithm described in
BRAIDING
STANDARD HERRINGBONE KNOTS (
Schaake &
Turner)
Too
many
persons – some having authored acclaimed books – make
egregious
mistakes about:
-
STANDARD HERRINGBONE
KNOTS (SHK)
-
STANDARD HERRINGBONE PINEAPPLE
KNOTS (SHPAK)
-
KNOTS WITH A HERRINGBONE
PATTERN but are not SHK or SHPAK
Egregious mistakes resulting in those persons making an unpalatable mixed salad with those knots and propagating false notions to the unaware or the unable to think critically (in the best sense of the word : thinking autonomously ).
Just to exemplify :
an
acclaimed Australian Braider, the
late RON EDWARDS
( left this world recently) in his
Advanced
Leatherwork –Volume
2 made
those:
( make no
mistake I like
Ron EDWARDS books with all their faults and one must
have them in a serious collection of books, just as Tom HALL ( HICKEY)
books
are to be added to such a collection even if HALL is far from
being at EDAWARDS' level .
Just use them with a 'critical mind' , in other words a mind that is
quite open though
maintaining a keen and intelligent vigilance. Never
allow an entry visa to anything told to you unless you have personally
personally validated it using intelligent and deep thought
rather than blind admiration or following "the alleged reputation be it
good or bad". THINK
AUTONOMOUSLY)
*1**
Page
62 PINEAPPLE
KNOT R.E says.
Certainly
NOT
!
NO
nested-bight. Can not be a PINEAPPLE.
It is NOT
a STANDARD
HERRINGBONE knot either
but ONLY a
knot that is an
interweave of two identical
THK with a
herringbone PATTERN.
Cannot
be treated by HER3
*2**
Page
63 PINEAPPLE
KNOT R.E says. Certainly
NOT
!
It is not
a STANDARD
HERRINGBONE knot either but ONLY
a knot that is an
interweave
of
two identical THK with a herringbone PATTERN.
Cannot
be treated by HER3
*3**
Pages 74-75 PINEAPPLE
KNOT R.E says . Certainly
NOT
!
NO
nested-bight.
Can not be a PINEAPPLE
It is a Standard
Herringbone knot,
HER3 compliant, but the book has a mistake in the HP1 that
ends with U1
and NOT
U2, still the diagram itself is correct
*4**
Pages 76-77 PINEAPPLE
KNOT R.E says.
Certainly
NOT
!
NO
nested-bight. Can not be a PINEAPPLE.
It is not
a STANDARD
HERRINGBONE knot either but ONLY
a knot that is an
interweave
of
two identical THK with a herringbone PATTERN.
Cannot be treated by HER3
*5**
Pages 160-161 PINEAPPLE
KNOT R.E says. Certainly
NOT
!
NO
nested-bight. Can not be a PINEAPPLE.
It is not
a STANDARD
HERRINGBONE knot
either
but ONLY a
knot that is
an
interweave of two identical THK with
a herringbone PATTERN.
Cannot
be treated by HER3
*6**
Pages 162-163 PINEAPPLE
KNOT
R.E says.
Certainly
NOT
!
NO
nested-bight. Can not be a PINEAPPLE
It is a Standard
Herringbone knot,
HER3 compliant, but the book has a mistake in the HP1 that ends with U1
and NOT U2, still the diagram
itself is
correct
*7**
Pages 164-165 PINEAPPLE
KNOT
R.E says.
Certainly
NOT
!
NO
nested-bight. Can not be a PINEAPPLE.
SINGLE
STRAND
knot with HERRINGBONE pattern.
*8**
Pages 172-173. PINEAPPLE
KNOT
R.E says. Certainly
NOT
!
NO
nested-bight. Cannot be a
PINEAPPLE
SINGLE
STRAND
HERRINGBONE pattern
“HERRINGBONE
KNOT” of
Page132-
133 / Page136-137 / Page138-139 / Page142-143 /
Page152-153
As they are SINGLE STRAND KNOT they are not HER3 compliant.
PLEASE
DON’T MISUNDERSTAND THE ABOVE
: this
book by
EDWARDS is just useless as far as seriously considered nomenclature
goes
but
it will be a
considerable help to
people
who want to make knots without thinking to much.
To steal
some observation from a
friend :
it will be - just as Hall's- a considerable help to
those
who don’t want to “learn” but
just “mimic” without in-depth information being acquired.
If such a man of craft as Ron EDWARDS indeed was could be so egregiously mistaken just imagine what silliness one can encounters on the Net.
This I wrote to help those who want to think critically and learn, provided they are pointed in a better direction (I cannot think of any better than Schaake & Turner ) about those knots ; the other sort of person happily do without me just as I happily do without them.
MY PLAYING WITH FISHBONE PATTERNS : CROSSED PATTERNSUrl : http://charles.hamel.free.fr/knots-and-cordages/