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Most certainly this still need some weeding out though I cannot find any more fault to

correct at the moment.

Use reasonable doubt and track mistakes for a while till this warning disappear.

DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS : how to differentiate one knot from another :

AZTEC knot / BARCUS knot / COLIMA LAZY MAN button / FAN knot /

FLORES knot / GAUCHO's knot / GINFER knot / HANSEN knot /

HEADHUNTER's knot / HERRINGBONE knot / HERRINGBONE

PINEAPPLE / HOOD knot / NORTON knot / PAMPAS button / SMALL

PAMPAS button / Regular Turksheads .....

I am not blessed with the complicated mind of a mathematician or of an engineer and I like label using FRAME OF REFERENCE SIMPLE AND INDEPENDENT so I will not accept the ROW coded , COLUMN coded as this is dependent on the frame of reference horizontal mandrel with bight rims on left and right side vertical cylinder with bight rims at top and bottom

I much prefer my own labels that work whatever the frame of reference is, horizontal

mandrel or vertical cylinder, as its frame of reference is the knot ITSELF and not

its orientation !

so it will be

- INTER-BIGHT coded ( ROW coding of MANDREL== COLUMN coding of cylinder)

- PARALLEL BIGHT Coded ( COLUMN coding of MANDREL ==ROW of cylinder)

You can get a first quick sorting using the coding (make sure you separate that coding from the cordage route followed : quite a lot of knots are made FOLLOWING THE CORDAGE ROUTE OF A TURKSHEAD YET WITHOUT THE CODING O1-U1 or U1-O1 of a standard regular THK said - a bit of an idiosyncratic mannerism ! - Casa Knot it is for some person, in fact CASA IS NOT THE THK BUT THE CODING !

That seems to escape most people fond of that word : should not be a CASA Knot but a CASA CODED Knot.

Look at Turk's Head_20 first topic to get Schaake's perspective on that.

INTER-BIGHT AND PARALLEL-BIGHT coding

* that will be the standard regular Turk's Head

INTER-BIGHT coding

* HERRINGBONE ( included the FLORES knot )

* PINEAPPLE ( NOT a Herringbone Pineapple

* BEVERLEY knot

* HEEL knot

* O1 Schaake & Turner Knot

* O2 Schaake & Turner Knot

* HOOD knot

* HORN knot

* GRANT knot

PARALLEL-BIGHT coding

* GAUCHO ( included : Spanish Ring knot )

* FAN knot

* AZTEC-FAN knot

* HEADHUNTER's knot

* GINFER knot

* HANSEN

* NORTON

NEITHER INTER BIGHT NOR PARALLEL BIGHT coding

* checkered / chequered pattern ( there exist CHEQUERED PINEAPPLE KNOTS

and CHEQUERED HERRINGBONE )

* helix pattern ( slow and fast )

* basket weave pattern

* FLORES

*BARCUS

This is about the FORMAT or TYPE of the coding, now for the SPECIFIC CODING

****** INTER-BIGHT AND PARALLEL-BIGHT coding ********************

Regular standard THK

O1 - U1 ( can be U1 - O1) of course on a THK cordage

route

****** INTER-BIGHT coding *******************************************

HERRINGBONE knot also making use of THK cordage route

10L 8B 2 PASS U1 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 or O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O1

8L 10B 2 PASS O1 - U2 - O2 - U2

14L 12B 2 PASS U1 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U2

15L 12B " PASS U3 - O3 - U3 - O3 - U2

** case a-part : PERFECT HERRINGBONE ( one STRAND )

17L 12B 3 PASS U2 - O3 - U3 - O3 - U3 - O2

11L 9B 3 PASS O2 - U3 - O3 - U2

PINEAPPLE NOT A HERRINGBONE ONE ( NESTED BIGHT )

TYPE 1 ( 1 - 1 then 2 -2 then....)

TYPE 2 ( 1-2 the 2 - 1 for 2 PASS or 1 - , 2 - 1 and 3 -3 )

TYPE 3 ( 1-3 ; 2 - 2 ; 3 - 1

HERRINGBONE PINEAPPLE ( nested BIGHT )

15L 10B 2 PASS ( Hall)

U -O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U2

particular cases are the BRUCE knot and the CATHARINE knot

Schaake extract N° 1 Schaake extract N° 2

both are 2-PASS STANDARD HERRINGBONE-PINEAPPLE KNOTS

2-PASS means 2! = 2*1==2 ways to make the knots that are stictly equivalent as far as

finished state is concerned.

I have explained it quite enough , "in length, in width and sideways" as goes the French saying, in Turkshead_16.

Don't even begin to believe that doing one knot before doing the other knot would change the result.

It is exactly like ADDITION (addition of THK ) 2 + 3 or 3 + 2 it is all the same.

The only thing that will change from one way to the other is the table of coding for each PASS

GRANT is using a trick : he shows the THK assembly made using a single-strand and hiding the factin the finished knot.

BEVERLEY knot also making use of THK cordage route

13L 9B O2 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O2 - U2 - O1 - U1

the original knot is that one but you may extended it along the same principle of

adding an O2 - U2 -O1 - U1 sequence so as to get

O2 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O2 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O2 - U2 -O1 - U1

you will need an ODD number of LEAD whether you use and ODD or an EVEN number of sequence O2 - U2 -O1 - U1 ( that is obvious, is not it ? sequence cover an EVEN number of crossing, an EVEN number time and ODD OR AN EVEN will give an EVEN result ! hence an ODD number of LEAD in any case )

I will let you devise the general formula.

HEEL knot

see what has been written on that in another page. ( usually BUT NOT always a Pineapple Knot.

Any """globe knot""" (stupid appellation as itis spherical covering and not globe knot)

should function as a knot put on the heel of the bosal.

O1 SCHAAKE & TURNER knot

17L 10B U1 - O1 U2 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U2 - O 1 - U1- O1 - U2 - O1 - U1

O2 SCHAAKE & TURNER knot

17L 14B U1 - O1 - U1 - O2 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U2 - O2 - U1 - O1

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HOOD knot periodic nested bight

Interwoven THK

Here it is the number of apex on a row line that are examined:

a TWO ROW ( mandrel frame of reference ) HOOD knot can be

< < and < OR < < < and < OR < < < and < <

a THREE ROW HOOD knot can be

< < and < and < OR < < < and < and < OR < < < and < < and < <

( Hall ) 15L 12B 3 PASS ( the 3 THK in there are all identical, here 5L 4B )

Tie the first THK then with the second make a 2 PASS HERRINGBONE knot then

interweave the third.

REPEATED group of coding is. [ Bight Rim 1 - 3 / 2 - 2 / 3 - 1]

O2 U3 O3 U3 O3

U2 O3 U3 O3 U3

U1 O3 U3 O3 U3

( Hall ) 11 L 15B 3 PASS series 2 / 1 or < < / < from two 4L 5B THK and one 3L 5B

note that the 3 THK are not all the same size

REPEATED group of coding is. [Bight Rim 1 - 2 / 2 - 1 / 3 - 3]

O2 U3 O3 U2

U2 O3 U3

U1 O3 U3 O3

HORN knot periodic nested bight inter bight coded

Interwoven THK

13L 12B 3 PASS start with a 10L 8B 2 PASS HERRINGBONE knot from a 5L 4B THK then interweave a third THK with 2 LEAD less and identical number of BIGHT

REPEATED group of coding is [Bight Rim 1 - 1 / 1 - 1 / 2 - 2]

-- O1 U2 O3 U3 O3

-- U1 O3 U3 O3 U2

-- U3 O3 U2

17L 18B 3 PASS tied from a 14L 12B 2 PASS HERRINGBONE knot made from a

7L 6B THK

REPEATED group of coding is

-- O1 U2 O2 U2 O2 U2 O2

-- U1 O2 U2 O2 U2 O2 U2

-- U2 O2 U2 O2 U2

GRANT knot ( reverse of a HORN - silly use of reverse again ! )

Interwoven THK

18L 3B ( Schaake )

GRANT series 1 < one Bight on the most outside Bight Rim two < BIGHT nested in the outsider on the immediately next one toward centre

( a HORN series 1 has two BIGHT on the most outside BIGHT RIM and ONE < BIGHT

The number of double < is the number of the series :

type 2 == 2 inner BIGHT RIM with two < nested

REPEATED group of coding is [Bight Rim 2 on the LEFT 3 on the right - mandrel frame

of reference 1 - 1 / 2 - 2 / 2 - 3]

-- U1 O3 U3 O3 U3 O3 U3

-- O1 U3 O3 U3 O3 U2

-- U2 O3 U3 O3 U3

****** PARALLEL-BIGHT coding ***************************************

HEADHUNTER's knot also making use of THK cordage route

7L 4B 2 PASS == O2 - U2 - O2

7L 5B 2 PASS == O2 - U2 -O2

7L 12B 2 PASS == O2 - U2 - O2

11L 8B 2 PASS ==O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2

The sorriest dummies will have inferred :

--- ODD number of LEAD as the number of crossing in L-1 then you get an EVEN number of crossing which goes nicely with the 2 PASS O2 - U2 - O2 6 crossings

2 PASS O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 10 crossings

so it begging with O

GAUCHO knot also making use of TH cordage route all from SCHAAKE &

TURNER

9L 8B 1 PASS == U1 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U1 - O1

9L 5B 2 PASS O2 - U2 - O2 - U2

13L 8B 2 PASS O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U2

13L 8B 3 PASS O3 - U3 - O3 - U3

again ODD number of LEAD for EVEN number of crossings

GAUCHO general formula is

- THK cordage route

- ODD number of LEAD

- coding : O(PASS) - U

now some from somewhat lesser Authors: Ron EDWARDS and Hall.

SPANISH RING KNOT ( small GAUCHO ) also making use of TH cordage route

5L 7B 2 PASS == U2 - O2

5L 3B 2 PASS== U2 - O2

5L 8B 2 PASS == U2 - 02

7L 10B 3 PASS == U3 - O3

9L 10B 4 PASS == U4 - O4

so it is easy = ODD number of LEAD ( from an EVEN number of crossing -there are two SET of crossing the OVER and the UNDER so it follow that whether the SET is EVEN OR ODD as there are TWO of them it will lead to an EVEN total number of crossing that isso self evident that I am ashamed to state it , yet experience taught me that there are always a good number that will not spontaneously get that !

so SPANISH RING KNOT general formula is

- TH cordage route

- ODD number of LEAD

- coding U

GAUCHO-FAN KNOT ( Hall )

10L 8B 2 PASS ( from a 5L 4B primary THK )

Gaucho BIGHT on the left, gaucho pattern in the centre, Fan type bight on the right side (mandrel frame of reference of course )

O2 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O1

FAN knot ( Boton Oriental ) also making use of THK cordage route

* 11L 7B O - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U

11L 6B O - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U

11L 13B U2 - O3 - U3 - O2

11L 9B O2 - U3 - O3 - U2

general formula

- THK cordage route

- ODD number of LEAD

- coding the "border" is one less than its immediate neighbour set ( toward the center )

e.g

O - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U

U2 - O3 - U3 - O2 OR O2 - U3 - O3 - U2

now one from Hall

11L 10B U2- O3 - U3 - O2

AZTEC-FAN knot also making use of THK cordage route

15L 8B ( Schaake ) O3 - U1 - O1 - U2 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U1 (fan coding in green )

general formula

- THK cordage route

- ODD number of LEAD

- coding

8L 7B ( Grant ) AZTEC knot ( no mention of FAN ) O3 - U1 - O3

SAMUEL knot also making use of THK cordage route

8L 13B O1 - U2 - O1 - U2 - O1

general formula

- THK cordage route

- EVEN number of LEAD for EVEN number of crossings ( look at the SET of crossing

to understand )

- coding begins with O1, then alternate enough U2-O1 to cover for

( L -2 ) ( minus 2 for - 1 plus the O1 already "counted" ) : as ( each U2 - O1 will

add an ODD number if you add and EVEN number of (U2 - O1 ) then you need an EVEN number of LEAD but for an ODD number of ( U2 - O1 ) then you need an ODD number of LEAD ( EVEN number of crossing ; that should as evident as the nose in the middle of the face , no ? )

GINFER knot also making use of THK cordage route

(Edwards ) 9L 11B U3 - O1 - U1 - O3

(Grant ) 9L U3 - O1 - U1 - O3

the centre sequence O1 - U1 can be modified by an interweave

SIDE knot ( Grant )

O2 - U2 - O2

HANSEN ( Frank HANSEN of Oregon ) knot found it in HALL but the actual study was from SCHAAKE ( The Braider issue N° 3 - August 1995 plus N°4 / N°5 / and NOT N°2 - May 1995 - alas far from being the first approximate way of doing thing from that quarter ! - as erroneously indicated by HALL )

3 THK all of identical sizing are needed

15L 6B ( from 3 THK 5L 2B ) BUSH form

O1 - U3 - O3 - U3 - O3 - U3 - O3 - U1

( 3 regular THK assembled and made with a single strand ) "double a THK and then split

the pair"

BUSH-BRAID FORM according to SCHAAKE :

In bush braidwork it is the aim to produce a serviceable article by means of of quick and simple processes . The standard of braidwork plays little if any role...Hence a bush-braideris not a braiding artisan, nor does generally such a person have a desire to become one

( well at least they are more lucid than many an ornamental knot tyer of the Mutual

Admiration and Self-promotion Society believing they are "wonders" not only good but great ! )

So Schaake distinguish

HANSEN BUSH KNOTS to distinguish them from their PROPER AND CORRECT

COUNTERPARTS the HANSEN KNOTS.

HANSEN KNOTS cordage route of Standard Periodic Nested Cylindrical Knots

( TYPE 1 --- nested bight ---21L 12B 3 PASS ( number of PASS CANNOT BE EVEN )

O1 - U3 - O3 - U3 - O3 - U3 - O3 - U1

( TYPE 1* HANSEN BUSH KNOTS ( : based on regular THK with ODD number of

LEAD, they are SUPPOSED to ape GAUCHO knots.

A (2*n + 1 ) PASS HANSEN Type 1 or 1* is an assembly ( interweave ) of (2 * n + 1 )

identical regular THK with an ODD number of LEAD with PARALLEL BIGHT coding

15L 6B ( Hall ) tied from a 5L 2B THK

O1 - U3 - O3 - U3 - O3 - U1 formed by doubling a regular THK and then splitting the pairs.

Centre of knot has then a 3 PASS GAUCHO pattern

NORTON knot ( according to Hall/Hickey ) from Dr W.E. Norton from Louisiana :

regular nested bight -gaucho - and gaucho pattern at the centre.

8L 8B 2 PASS from a 5L 4B THK + 3L 4B THK

TYPE 1 == right side bight rim or primary knot on BIGHT BOUNDARY 1 ( as for PAK )

TYPE 2 == right side bight rim or primary knot on BIGHT BOUNDARY 2

REPEATED group coding

U2 O2 U2 U1

U1 O2 U2

According to Hall a doubled THK ( he sticks with his blasted "casa" ) would be a TYPE 2

CHECKERED NORTON :

why make simple when you can make it confused ? I ask you .

Why not just stay at doubled ( follow-the-leader) THK ?

****** NEITHER INTER BIGHT NOR PARALLEL BIGHT coding***********

The Braider N°6

The GAUCHO/HERRINGBONE = one part is GAUCHO and on the other side

of a transition is HERRINGBONE

drawing ONE

drawing TWO

drawing THREE ( Two coloured fro easier understanding )

YOU REALLY SHOULD GET YOURSELF THE CD OF THE BRAIDER WHOLE COLLECTION ( need to come equipped with a brain in " fully engaged mode " to make the best of it ; not for usual ordinary average or under average ornamental knots tyers aka "spiders" certainly but a treasure nevertheless for all the others ). To buy the CD contact Dr John TURNER ( see page What is new )

BASKETWEAVE also making use of THK cordage route

type 6n +2

14L 15B O3 - U3 - O3 - U3 - O1

type 6n+5

17L 15B

CHECKERED HERRINGBONE

10L 8B 2 PASS from a 5L 4B

U1 - O2 - U2 - O2 - U2

fast HELIX ( Schaake)

17L 10B

U1 - O1 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U2 - O1 - U1

slow HELIX type I ( Schaake)

17L 10B

U1 - O1 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U2 - O1 - U1

22L 15B

U2 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U2 - O1 - U1 - O1 - U1

BARCUS knot ( origin is in FLORES mistake by GRANT )

(Hall/Hickey ) 10L 12B 2 PASS

U1 - O1 - U2 - O2 - U3 alternating with O1 - U1 -O2 - U2 - O3

FLORES knot

(Hall/Hickey ) 10L 12B 2 PASS

U4 - O2 - U1 - O1 - U1 alternating with

CHECKERED / CHEQUERED simplest is 2 THK nested by doubling following the leader 2 5L 4 B will have the coding U2 -O2 - U2 - O2

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