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2011 January 9th THE QUEST
FOR PRINCE EDWARD's CARRICK BRACELET.
A common adventure : (in order of apparition in time : Nautile, Don
WRIGHT,
John RICHINGS, Nono aka Norbert TRUPIANO)
About the end of
2007, (Oct-Nov), just before my father's last turn for
the worse that
would lead to his death just 3
years ago today, I was still a moderator on a
certain forum,
that at the time was still a
civilized and interesting place.
I then used to make the
effort of giving one post a day pointing to
something interesting on
the Net or in literature.
Don in a mail (19:00 France time) about the series of
record breaking in
spherical coverings [open
quote]
I admire people like John who can look at a piece and copy it in
string. I'm still trying to
figure out how to tie the knot in the
Museum in England somewhere, that has the carrick
bends interweaved in
it, by Prince Edward The First I think. It still bothers me that I have
not yet figured it out. I still look at the pic once in a while to see
what I am missing and one
of these days I will get it, I hope
.[end
quote]
Don was alluding to Prince EDWARD's bracelet and I
respond with "may
be we will enlist the help of
the others in
the gang".
As Don (20:51)
thought that a good idea I
sent (21:18)
a 'round mail' to some of the last
contributors to these pages.
I could not
really remember where I had found it, only that it was a UK museum,
probably
in Greenwich and told every one.
19:50
I wrote to Don "It suddenly dawned
on me that the upper side knot IS
the map for the doubly doubled knot This may be a source
for decryption"
20:57
Don wrote [open quote]For some
reason, after looking at the top
knot, I was almost thinking
that the
bottom knot did not follow the same path as the top knot??
Does that sound strange or am I wrong. Just my thoughts on it. I could
be wrong.[end quote]
TWO guys
almost immediately respond to my mail asking for the help of their
expertise :
John RICHINGS and NONO.
21:39
John answered [open quote]Charles,
You're probably thinking of the National Maritime Museum at
Greenwich.
As for
the knot .....it's a whole series of Carrick Bends.
I think it'll take
a bit of time to sort out , and yes the top knot looks like a single
version of
the 3ply.
At this
point in time it looks easier than the 1776 facet, which is going to
take 28 metres on
the mandrel[end quote]
and Nono
23:00
NONO [open
quote] Enfin, un challenge…Je
vais encoder ça… à ma façon…Mais
d’emblée, il ne s’agit pas
du même nœud… les
carricks sont identiques, mais le parcours de fond est différent.
merci,
Charles de penser à mes neurones qui s’engourdissent avec le
froid…Exercice
fabuleux pour griller quelques synapses inutiles et en établir
d’autres… Allez,
je vais
me donner jusqu’à dimanche pour vous pondre les schémas de ces
deux nœuds At
last a challenge...I will encode that, in my own fashion...But atfirst
look, they are not the
same knots...the carricks are identical, but the
base run is different. thanks Charles to think of my neurons who
are frozen with this cold...Faboulous exercise to burn some useless synapses and make
new ones. Itis said, I will give myself till Sunday to sent out the
grids for
those two knots [end quote]
both Don and I found again the link to the bracelet and at the same
moment John
RICHINGS told us he thought it was the maritime museum in
Greenwich.
I
countered NONO, propping my first opinion that the upper knot was the
ONE-PASS
version of the 3-PASS lower one with what the museum was saying in the
description label : [open
quote]A Turk's head with interwoven Carrick bends started by HRH
Prince
George Edward Alexander Edmund, Duke of Kent (1902-1942) on board HMS
'Hawkins' but never finished (the knot is complete but has not been
tripled).
A larger completed example intended as a pattern is shown
above.
Both knots are mounted on a cardboard tube covered with blue
paper.[end quote]
Barry BROWN expressed that [open
quote] They do indeed look
different, but from only
one view it is
hard to say, did somebody not
try to replicate this before?[end
quote]
Jan 5th
09:18
a mail from John RICHINGS [open quote] Charles, not
the complete answer,
but from my crude sketch are the parts that are behind
the carrick
bends.I haven't
quite worked out where
they link with the main carrick bend
THK.Maybe it
will be of help to Don et
al...[end quote]
attached to it was this sketch
by John's hand
18:29
a mail from NONO with two grids ! [open quote] Pour
moi, le challenge est résolu… J’ai
encodé en fonction de ce que mon œil voit (il y a quatre carricks
visibles sur une
face du cylindre, j’ai extrapolé la face cachée) les
deux parcours en vis-à-vis. Alors
si le prince devait imiter le modèle, il s’est planté… Les
deux nœuds sont différents dans la façon dont les entrelacements (hors
carricks)
sont faits. Ils
sont tous les deux mono-fil Maintenant
qu’ils sont encodés, je vais passer à la phase réalisation, en espérant
être
meilleur sans me pincer, que môssieur le prince. A
plus tard, Nono For my part the
challenge has been met... I
made the code with what my eyes are telling me ( there are four
Carricks visible on the face
shown, I extrapolated the hidden face) ,
the two cordage routes are 'vis à vis' ( in front of each other) So if the Prince had
to follow the model then he goofed.... The two knots are
different in the manner the interweaves(outside the carrricks) are done. They are both
single-strand. Now
that they are encoded, I am going to go to the realisation, hoping to
be better -without
having to pinch myself- than M'ossieur Le
Prince. See you later, Nono [end quote]
Jan 6th
11:26
NONO sent TWO grids, one for each knots.
After that he then looks at John grid and said [open
quote] " sorry but
this (John yesterday attempt) does not agree with what one can see
on
the photo"[end quote]
13:59
the fabulous NONO said that the quest had given him the idea of a
TWO-STRAND
carrick bracelet !
14:09
John [open
quote]Well
done Norbert. I rushed in
without giving the problem enough thought.[end
quote]
Nautile
: in fact John is quite busy with the 1776FACEsmade
on the grid he
himself decrypted from the photos.
This photo is of course John's
20:42
Don (to Nono) [open
quote]Nono, Put grid on mandrel and put string to it and
for the most part i
came out
OK. I noticed a couple of O-U errors and fixed them.
I also
noted around all of the exit
string from the carrick bends, the OO-UU
sequences. See Picture for details.[end quote]
20:49
DON [open
quote]Just another note. I used the bottom grid and it is
the one with the
"errors" and
the top grid has none. I will now try that one for
sure.[end quote]
20:59
I got this photo from NONO ! the knots were done ! PHOTO
ONE and latter on PHOTO
TWOPHOTO
THREE
All photos are Nono's
21:17
Nono to Don [open
quote]Thanks
to you Don I had not noticed
those errors, here is as attachment the corrected
file/ As for the crossings
at the "going out" of the Carrick, it is what my
eyes are seeing...
[end quote]
21:25
Don to Nono [open
quote] always said the top and the bottom knot were
different and I
guess that was
right. Beautiful job Norbert. Just ignore my ramblings
on
the O-Us then. Some times I'm just
wrong, but the 2 O-Us I think were
just oversight then as all else was as it should have been. We
should
have given the challenge to Norbert when we first
started playing with this one a
couple of years ago. On the other hand
we all did some exploring and that was good for us
. Amen. Thanks to all
who helped solve the problem. (I like to see the bottle of wine that
the
cork Nono has the knot on came from.)LOL[end quote]
Jan
08th
07:41
Don [open
quote]Here is my spin on the CB Bracelet. That is my days
work today.
Not much
but all I felt like doing. Sent pic to John but none of the
others.Just about bedtime here.
[end quote]
DON's
work
Photo is Don's
Here
are NONO's grids
( you will also find them in the future special Nono's grids
page )
Of course this sort of diagram is by Nono's
Jan VOS see in VOS_TUTS page
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2011 January 3rd NONO (Norbert
TRUPIANO)
see in NONO_TUTS page 1776
FACEs DIAGRAMS
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2011 January 4th John RICHINGS IN FACT IT IS NOT 800
FACEs BUT 1000 FACEs
HERE IS THE STORY
Barry BROWN made a remark about the 5B of this covering which remind me
of my
intention of asking some questions to John.
To make the story short :
when
John, using Don's photos, made his own copy of the 600F grid
I
had made specially
for Don at his asking (he was set on a polar 5
BIGHT-NESTS despite my misgiving of going
over 4) he did some
modifications of his own invention.
This 600 FACEs had FIVE BIGHT-NEST and EACH NEST holds a TOTAL OF FIVE
BIGHTs
John set to change the total in each NEST FROM FIVE TO EIGHT
By a fluke of chance the grid so altered remained possible to do with a
SINGLE-STRAND.
SO NOW JOHN RICHINGS IS THE INVENTOR OF A 1000 FACEs and is the first to
have done one.
John also copied the 800F (from NONO's grid) and the changes he brought
gave a
480 FACEs grid, also single-strand !
JOHN IS MAKING HIS GRIDS PUBLIC ( look in RICHINGS_TUTS page )
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2011 January 2nd John RICHINGS
John, 73 is the
second first world wide recognized maker of a 800
1000 FACEs.
John did not get this grid invented by NONO but he drew it from his
analysis of Don
WRIGHT's photos.
John is offerring his "cheat sheet" with the Half-Periods
codes in RICHINGS_TUTS page Cylinder
ready Knot
made
John wrote (in two mails) [open quote] At my
second attempt I've made the 800(no 1000) facet SCK. I've used
1.5mm
8plait
nylon on a 70mm
diameter ball. Attached also is a
revised coding for the 800 facet SCK.........I made 2 or 3 typing
errors
(my hand written version was OK). I picked up the
errors while making the SCK. Also,
after numerous attempts, I've worked out the grid for the 1776
facet..........without
referring to Norbert's grid but using his
photos. I've done the coding but haven't even started
on the knot yet.
....John
I finished the 800(no 1000)
facet at 1.00am this morning ( one hour after midnight). ... I'm
almost hoping Norbert doesn't come up with another
monster..........it's finding the
mandrels to build them on plus of
course the sphere ( I find it's easier if the mandrel is the
same
diameter, or even slightly smaller than the sphere I want to use. Why does cord have a
mind of its own..............getting kinks and knots and a
determination
to get itself tangled around everything possible.
Hey Ho.......we'll still battle on... [end quote]
Added
2010 Dec 20th NONO (aka Norbert
TRUPIANO)
I got those pictures
yesterday (19th) with this text : J’ai commencé ce
matin le plus de 1000 faces… Pour tester… avec les
moyens du bord : un bout de tuyau PVC et des
cure-dents J 4 photos pour
commencer… J’ai mis moins de 6
heures pour faire l’ébauche… La suite viendra en
son temps, soyez patients
I started the over 1000 faces this morning...
Just as a test of the grid...with what was available : a piece of
PCV tubing and 'teeth sticks'.
4 photos to start with...
The remainder will follow in time, be patient.
the over 1000 faces SURE ! it is even over 1500,
even over 1700 : 1776 in fact.
As Nono is wont to do he used sailmaker thread (easy to solder with
cigarette gas lighter
for easy
and fast correction of inevitables mistakes) to first make a
'sacrificial mould' on
which he will thread the chosen cordage, then
mould is destroyed. Access to slideshow.
Added
2010 Dec 26th "took me two days for
finishing this PASS62, wooden ball is a shade to large" Here
it is.
Added
2010 Dec 19th Don WRIGHT Sunday morning, in
my mail box was Don latest : the cordage in place, after 8 h 30mm of
fingers pulps bruising work for the spherical covering of 800 faces
on a grid invented by...
...guess who?......
by Nono ! AGAIN !
This grid has not yet been proofed
in the cordage as a good spherical covering, Nono is
too much occupied with his family
and when he recently got a few days of liberty ( family
on a visit in Family ) he
used them up making his third special bracelet than was a
gift for
me.
Frank who is a jester added : I would
dearly love to substitute an Aus hardwood pole
during a competition---a
nicely dried Iron Bark, Jarra, or River Red Gum sapling. note : those wood
have a high specific weight !
FCB call his figurines : FEG !
I had to ask of
course and fell for his pun trick :
FEG is eff-ee-ge = effigy
Copyright 2005 Sept - Charles
Hamel / Nautile -
Overall rewriting in August 2006 . Copyright renewed. 2007-2012 -(each year of existence)
