TUTS
NONO (Norbert TRUPIANO) (also with ALCOSINUS)
CAVEAT
(valid for ALL tutorials -except my own- in this web
site) : all
tutorials are provided
" as their author wants them to be", I did
not edit any of them, I did not proof any of
them in the cordage,
and they reflect their author personal realisation and stance in
explaining things.
IMPORTANT
NOTE : All the content of this web site is copyrighted material that
you
may use freely for non-commercial usage provided you make a
CLEAR attribution BUT
you MAY
NOT
post on forums any
invented grid/diagram,
code,as it is the
CORDAGE
ROUTE AND THE CODING that is copyrighted.
Even if you draw by
your own means the diagram this will be infringing the copyright
as you would be using
the cordage route and the code to be represented.
You MAY
use an invented
grid/diagram freely for a
PRIVATE, PERSONAL AND
NON-PUBLIC IN ANY WAY usage, you
MAY post where
you like the
knotting you made from it but not its diagram.
To post an;invented
grid/diagram you will need to
politely ask for a written permission to do so also give clear
attribution of the sources
N'oubliez
pas le groupe international ouvert par NONO et
ALCOSINUS
2012
April 21 rst
2012 April 22nd : first
to do it Stefanos FANIDIS
A NEW POSSIBLE SPERICAL COVER WITH A VERY-VERY
SPECIAL
PATTERN
This grid needs to be "proofed" in the cordage so now you now
what to do. The
grid The count of crossings = 328
Nono's words: l'idée
m'est venue du tressage croisé publié par Hans Gommans du groupe
mateloteurs sur Facebook.
I got the idea of this from a drawing published by Hans
Gommans in MATELOTEURS on Facebook
2011 Sept 26th BRACELET BASED ON HIS
8-BRAID : here 4 are assembled
You will surely admire both inventiveness and realisation in the
cordage of what first
appeared in Nono's mind
This Saturday I had Norbert and his spouse Zhora as
huest for the noon meal.
the discussion extended well in the lateafternoon, early evening and
Nono gave me this
new grid ( you add as many copy of that to get the bracelet
lenght you need ) for
a bracelent with a continuous star knot on its meridian.
I also got a wonderful bracelett that I still have to photography.
2011 June 21st A new bracelet (you
can also find it on FACEBOOK : Norbert TRUPIANO ( Nono) and Alain
LEGEAY ( Alcosinus) created a group of international tyers with
the name:
MATELOTEURS. Go and ask to join) This
bracelet is 2 STRANDs and 16 PARTs
Bracelet photo one and
two
Bracelet grid one
and two
this second grid is for this bracelet ( 13 PARTs)
Of this s13 PARTs bracelet Nono said to me [open quote] Ce
bracelet est une étude qui date de plus de 5 ans, je voulais faire une
tresse avec 13 brins, et comme le résultat m’as semblé joli, je l’ai
ensuite mise en erseau. ....… Pour le calcul du diamètre, vous faites
comme d’habitude, une première
tresse avec du bout de 1mm et voir ce que ca donne.
Sur cette photo c’est de la para-corde de 0,8mm que Didier Repellin
m’as fournie
Pour le schéma, Il faut éviter les multiples de 13 pour le faire en
erseau… j’ai mis un brin en gris pour éviter ce problème
Cela dit, j’ai fait mieux depuis… (voir la dernière tresse de 16 parts,
rectangulaire)
Cordialement
[end quote]
[open
quote]This bracelet is a study dating from more than 5years, I wanted a
13
PARTs
SINNET/BRAID and as the result seems to me to be pretty I made it into
a bracelet.
....
To calculate the diameter, just do as usual : make a braid
with
a 1mm diameter cord and see what you get.
On this photo it is 0.8 mm para-cord Didier REPPELIN gave to me.
On this grid multiple of 13 must be avoided to make it into a bracelet
(closing in a circle) ...
I put in the grey strand to avoid this problem.
That said, I have made better since....( see the latest 16 PARTs braid
I shared, rectangular section )
Best regards [end quote]
2011 April 28th A newly invented
key fob
When Ricardo asked for the precedent key fob grid he set Norber into
motion and loo :
here is a new grid made by modifying ABoK #2949 from being
single-strand to being
two-strand.
[open quote]
Ton ami Ricardo va devoir s'armer de patience pour réaliser ce nœud
fait avec deux brins…
L'hélice du #2949 est similaire à celle imaginée par Léonardo di Vinci
pour l'escalier du château de Chambord ou encore celui de la statue de
la liberté. (ces
escaliers permettent de monter par un coté et descendre par l'autre ce
qui fait qu'on ne
croise personne)
Avec le #2949 modifié par nono c'est une quadruple hélice, deux
personnes pourraient
monter simultanément sans se voir et ne pas
croiser les deux autres qui seraient en train de descendre.
Je suis assez content du travail réalisé, il ne reste plus qu'a trouver
une plaque de liège et des aiguilles… et deux bouts de couleurs
complémentaires, pour réaliser
un beau porte-clefs.
Par contre je n'ai pas cogité sur le passage de la boucle au centre, il
faut le réaliser et
commencer à le serrer sur des aiguilles pour voir où le passage sera le
plus judicieux.
Mais le gros du travail est fait, si on suis le schéma en respectant
les passages, on obtiendra bien deux hélices imbriquées de deux
couleurs différentes.
Conseil pour la réalisation, faire le passage comme indiqué sur le
schéma, enlever toute les épingles, monter ensuite le résultat sur
quatre aiguille de tricotage
(en les faisant passer aux endroits où les boucles se forment
naturellement) avant de procéder au
pré-serrage. Sinon, si on ne visualise pas le résultat que cela doit
donner, on cours au
sac de nœuds [end quote]
the next message from Norbert was:
[open quote]
Voilà le résultat… avec une longueur de schéma.
Je l'ai un peu modifié pour mieux pouvoir piquer les épingles.
Par contre, contrairement au #2949 original, on ne peut pas moduler la
longueur, alors le mieux est de faire un essai avec un schéma et voir
la longueur du nœud
obtenu et multiplier la longueur des schémas pour obtenir la longueur
désirée.
En l'occurrence, avec du 1mm il est préférable de doubler le schéma.
[end quote]
and answering my queries about how much time was needed.
[open quote]
Ce matin, 8h à 12h, épinglage…
Serrage de 13h à 14h
Sieste 14h à 16h,
Photo à 19h10
Taille du nœud : Diamètre 13mm - Longueur 27mm, bouts de 1mm
Je suis assez content de moi…
Je réfléchis à un outil qui permettrait de faire ce nœud sans schéma.
[end quote]
[open quote]
Your friend Ricardo with need to arm himself with patience to make this
knot with
two-strands...
The helix of #2949 is reminiscent of the one imagined by Da Vinci for
the staircase in
Le Château de Chambord ( also one double helix in La
Statue de la Liberté).(those stairs allow climbing up one one and
climbing down on the other so as to meet no one)
Wit the #2949 modified by Nono it is a quadruple helix, 2 persons could
go up
simultaneously without seeing each other and without meeting two
persons that would be going down.
I am rather happy with the work done, remains to find a cork board and
pins..and two l
engths of cord in complementary colours, to make a
beautiful key fob.
But I have not thought out the passing of the loop in the center, you
need
to lay it and begin your setting around the knitting needles to see
where it will be best to make the passage.
Still "the big part" of the work is done, when following the grid
complying with the route and crossings, two interlocked helices of
different colours will be obtained.
A tip for the making, make the laying as indicated by the grid, take
off all the pins, put in place four knitting needles (inserting them
were the 'loops' are spontaneously appearing) before beginning the
tight
setting. Not doing that you will not perceived the result to be
obtained
and you will be running for a tangling ( a bag of knots ! ) .
[end quote]
[open quote]
Here is the result ...using one"grid length"
I slightly modified the grid to make the placing of the pins easier.
Contrary to the original #2949, you cannot modulate the length, so the
best is to make a "sampling run" using one grid to get the length
obtained and then use as much "unit grid" as necessary to get the
desired length.
As is the case, with 1mm diam cord it is better to use two grids.
[end quote]
and answering my queries about how much time was needed.
[open quote]
This morning, 8h to 12h, laying and putting pins…
Fairing and setting from 13h to 14h
A nap 14h to 16h,
Photo : 19h10
Sizes : Diameter 13mm - Length 27mm, cordage 1mm diam
I am rather please with myself...
I am thinking about a tool that would allow to make this knot without
using the grid.
[end quote]
Le corps de ce porte-clefs (partie droite) est faite selon
#2949 ABoK, seulement je passe un brin en son centre pour faire la
boucle du porte-clefs non sans l’avoir fait passé au préalable à
travers une belle bille et seulement après avoir fait la tête qui est
effectivement un #792 ABoK.
La série #2943 à #2951 sont des chainettes à un brin et non pas deux…
je
n’ai malheureusement pas exploré les possibilités quand à l’exécution
de cette chainette avec plusieurs brins, je me souviens avoir songé
essayer avec deux brins en croisant au centre, mais je n’ai pas encore
essayé.
J’ai le schéma de cette chainette, que je te joint au mail pour le
présenter à ton correspondant.
(Le
bout rouge repasse par le même chemin que la boucle… , je n’ai pas
représenté le #792 sur ce shéma, il se fait au premier passage de la
boucle avant que le brin ne revienne…)
The body of
this key fob (right side part) is made after ABoK#2949 but I pass one
strand through its centre to make the loop after passing it through a
good looking ball and after having made "the head" which is indeed
ABoK#792.
The series #2943 to
#2951 are one-strand chains (sinnets)not 2-strands.
Unfortunately
I have not explored the possibilities of executing this chain with more
than one strand, I remember having thought about trying 2-strands
crossing in the centre but I hav not made it yet.
I have the grid for
this chain that I attach for your correspondent use.
(
the red extremity pass following the same route as the loop (the part
coming from the loop is what I think is a better translation even if
taking some distance with the origibal words in French)..., I did not
represent the #792 on this grid, it is made at the first
passage
of the loop before the strand goes back...)
2011 April 10th Look at the 2009
August 1rst topic : a new grid for the SATURNE knot
2011 March 13th The
keyfob Nono gave to Catherine on Feb 12th and that I
photographed today.
Received
2011 Feb 12th
On February 12th I was invited by Zohra and Nono to eat a Morrocan
couscous for lunch. The day was as marvelous as the cooking. Ilyess,
Nono and Zohra 's son was "extra".
At that occasion Nono had put on show his latest works and I end with
them all, except a key fob that went to Catherine who was accompanying
me. This
Picasa slideshow exhibits all
I got ( missing is the Prince's
bracelet that I also got and Catherine's key fob.
1776Faces spherical covering
Two cube covering
Nono's PIZZA
a bell rope
a keyfob
Received
2011 Jan 30th
Another creation by Norbert
TRUPIANO aka NONO, inspiration taken from ESCHER.
Here is the grid from Nono's hand ( he putit in his Picasa public
album.)
Now is the occasion of showing for the first time a rather "kept close
to the chest for some time" software by Claude HOCHET ( The
RKnot BUILDER
V3 guy).
What he did for the Regular Knots with RKB is in there for
the NESTED CYLINDRICAL KNOTS ( Herringbone-Pineapple, Herringbone
proper, and many other ones)
-see Friends_page_9
for just a wee bit details-.
Another creation by Norbert
TRUPIANO aka NONO, inspiration taken from ESCHER.
Here is the grid from Nono's hand ( he putit in his Picasa public
album.)
Now is the occasion of showing for the first time a rather "kept close
to the chest"
software some weeks old by Claude HOCHET ( The RKnot BUILDER
V3 guy).
What he did for the Regular Knots with RKB is in there for
the NESTED CYLINDRICAL KNOTS ( Herringbone-Pineapple, Herringbone
proper, and many other , in
an ignorant and uneducated way, called '''''''interweaves'''''''''.
Here
is Nono 's tracing of knot #1388 in
ABoK.
You just follow Ashley with this grid simply drawn in a more
user friendly fashion by Nono from the fundamentally unmodified
Ashley grid.
You need TWO printings of the grid to get the
full necessary size for making the knot
Photo courtesy of Nono of course.
Added
2011 January 6th
Here
are NONO's grids for the Prince EDWARD's Carricks bracelet
decrypted
by our Nono
Of course this sort of diagrams is pure Nono !
ANOTHER
INVENTION BY NONO (Norbert
TRUPIANO) Added
2011 January 3rd
ONE OF A
KIND BRACELET OFFERED TO ALCOSINUS BY NONO
IF you want to order
one from NONO just contact
me and I will forward the mail after that it will be between you and
Norbert
TRUPIANO
Added 2010 Nov 9th :
a complete simplification of the convoluted tale of
the
sequence of events as they happened.
To get the original (confused) story as it
was at this date just
read this linked page.
Added 2010 Oct 22nd : A NOORBERT TRUPIANO ( Norbert is the normal spelling but
this is an
eye wink
between NONO and I ) idea that I had ,
till now failed to show
on MY PAGES SO IN DOUBT I
AM THAT THERE ARE
THAT MANY PERSONS ABLE TO DO THIS KNOT.
I have had this one "under the elbow" for some time.
Alcosinus (Alain LEGEAY) can be seen sporting
this
very particular bracelet; a gift to him from our common
friend NONO .
Nono made a whole new tracing (and don't be silly and say that
it is not an invention as this would just show ignorance) for the
making of modifiedABoK #1389,
a knot linked with ABok #3054.
THIS ONE TRACING IS SINGLE STRAND
.
The
poor dumb ass who wrote "Ok but unless he is 100 years old he didn't
invent it. Just find a copy of ABOK and use the print in it." must have
a very poor intelligence of knotting to dare write such an
utter
stupidity.
INDEED
NORBERT THOUGH NOT
100 YEARS OLD DID
INVENT THE
SINGLE STRAND VERSION.
Despite what Ashley may have written (it is not the first
oddity
written by that worthy
Author) THIS IS NOT *repeat
NOT* a Turk's Head K even if it is a cylindrical knot with the
visual appearance of a braid.
NOT AT ALL a THK : if only for the reason
that it does not follow a THK cordage route!
Yet a part of the cordage
route (in gray lines) is indeed a part of a 6 L
13B THK 'inside' which
'something" is interlaced.
This 'something' is a sinnet or braid.
Don't miss Nono's Excel worksheet for braids
Translation of Norbert's words :
I am going to
describe a little the conditions in which I made the
bracelet you have in this photo.
It is inspired by
ABoK #1389 which is in fact a transposition....of
sinnet #3054.
As you know I like
a challenge, but I did that knot only
twice... The only one still
existent is the one that Alain own, the second one
was indeed sported by the
person to
whom I gave it , but after several washings had the
wrist "strangled" and cut
it.
The
cordage used for this
bracelet is tuna line, "Cousin" brand, 1.5 millimeter (
nautile
: here
I use '.' as decimal separator instead of the ',' we Frenches are using) ......... ........ ........ ........ To make that knot
I made use as "guiding thread" of laid sail thread 0.5mm in
diameter , .... that I "solder" with
cigarette lighter...and more than that of
being able to 'make good' some
mistake
in laying = cut the "guiding thread and lighter soldering.
Once the
griding and mule netting in sail thread is finished I take the pins off
and I solder the tuna line to the guiding thread and I lay down the
tuna line with a very regular tension.without too much
tightening
because thee is a difference between the guiding thread and the tuna
line in their diameter and
you must not tighten too much to allow the easy passage of the tuna
line., if you tightened directly to the mold diameter you
will
not be able to finish laying the tuna line. ..... ..... ..... Sadly I do not have
(no camera) pictures from that time, but I still
have the tools used in the
creation of this
knot, who knows ? if one day it takes me again....the
bracelet will be for you Charles, that is sure.
To
do that I would have to find 10 m of sail thread and time....( it is
the
least difficulty here, Alain could send me some if he pass in front of
a
sails shop)
I would also need
that the baby (much busy making rounds around me and
whose main occupation
is " catching this thread" that Papa is playing with ) stop
moving for two days (THAT is of the order of the impossible)
Yours, Norbert
There
exist TWO different grids (one with 12 B the other with 14 B) that
you will need to glue
together
in a particular sequencing so as to get an entire working grid.
This working grid which is an assembly of the component
grids is then to be
put
on a cylinder (This 2
GRID cylinder is just
for showing with the smallest
sequence possible: ONE 12 B grid plus ONE 14 B grid and how
they can
form a cylinder but this is not for a bracelet. It would work for
a ring though, probably. ( Barry's thought )
BIGHT are numbered in RED so 12 B are numbered in
BLUE for one series and in
GREEN for the other
hence 6 + 6 SUMMITS are
numbered in black and are in yellow.
In fact I was a little bit lost personaly about those
"SUMMITS" and the
light came from Barry BROWN
THIS IS NOT FOR
THE FAINT HEARTED !
In case one of you readers indeed succeed in
making this one in the next
year please
make contact and send a photo of it for these pages of mine
( act before my death ;-) ).
I have a notion that the sunrise of that day is not in the astronomical
almanacs in print .****
Persons thinking that a HERRINGBONE-PINEAPPLE K. is the epitome of a
difficult
type of knot should abstain from attempting the making of this
bracelet ( or first try a
5-PASS
HERRINGBONE K. to get an inkling of what "difficult knot" may really
means
! ).
I don't want to be accused of inducing despair, depression and suicide
;-) in the IGKT
and other knotheads folks of all ilk* .
.........Come to think of it............;-)
*( for those not
knowing it 'ilk is Scottish just as "wits and ken") -
http://dictionnaire.sensagent.com/ken/en-en/
IF you
want to order
one from NONO just contact
me and I will forward the mail after that it will be between you and
Norbert
TRUPIANO
Added Nov
1rst ****
I AM NOW PROVEN WRONG and I very much like it : the
almanac giving the sunrise of the day which would see a bracelet coming
from brains and hands
using Norbert's grids was indeed in print...in U.K
It did not take long for Barry
BROWN to accept the dare and beautifully win it !
The three photos there are by courtesy of Barry. (I inserted them at
their original place in the quoting of Barry's email)
Here is what Barry has to tell ( you have his site address just above
just in case you need something more.
(
added a few hours after this addition about Barry BROWN : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ropeandcanvas/page4.html
BARRY BROWN's explanations in his own page beautifully
illustrated)
[open quote]
I will put the
details on my web site. ( nautile
: now it is done and the address is just above)
here is my finished
knot. please feel free to use the pictures on your web site if you
like.
It is made with 1.2mm
braided Nylon which has no core and was very soft. SEE
PHOTO
Below is
the form I made it on, only 220mm diameter.
SEE PHOTO
I used Norbert's
patterns and resized them to make them smaller as I don't mind working
in small spaces.
I am
very grateful to Norbert for making a new pattern as the ABOK #1389
pattern is not very easy to use or join together.
I
used 492 pins to hold the knot whilst tying it and around 20 meters of
nylon, the finished knot only uses around 5500mm of cord.
here
is a half sized one I made first using the patterns from the
ABOK
this one started with 50 bights on the pattern.
SEE
PHOTO
Thank
you for making the information available on your web site and also many
thanks to Norbert for making the patterns and a very worthy challenge
;-) [end quote]
(nautile : Barry says
he used 7 +
1 grids after counting 49 + 49 "summits" on the photography that
Alcosinus had in his Flick album,)
Added
Nov
1rst From Barry BROWN
[open quote]
I have some more accurate measurements of my bracelet, the line I used
is actually 1.3mm diameter Nylon, but as it is hollow it flattens out
to 1.5mm when braided.
I put my bracelet back on the jar that I tightened it on and the inside
diameter of the bracelet is 67mm exactly, this is the measurement of
the jar diameter, the bracelet is not stretched when put on the jar so
this is a pretty accurate measurement. I think originally I got my
numbers mixed up and came out with 75 or 76mm?
The outside diameter of the bracelet measured over the summit parts is
79.11mm
[end quote]
Barry
: 1.3 mm ( instead of 1.5 as in above
but as it flatten to 1.5 )
Nono : 1 mm even 0.9mm today measurement made by Alcosinus
on his bracelet
--------------------------------------------------------------- Added 2010 Nov 3rd
18:00
HOURRAY for Barry BROWN observation power !
Final word of the BOARD of INQUIRY ;-)
Nono after getting a new set of picture from Alcosinus :
PHOTO 1PHOTO
2
[open quote]
A la vue de tes photos, il s’avère que les
dimensions que j’ai
donné sont fausses, il n’y a que 49 sommets sur ce nœud, c’est le
premier que j’ai
réalisé , il n’y a donc que 8 schémas.
Seeing the photos (
Alcosinus's) it appears that
the measurement I gave are mistakened, there are
only 49 summits on this
knot, it is the first I made , there were only 8 grids all told
( nautile = So
Barry you are a
good observer and did
exactly the identical tothe first Nono's bracelet )
Les dimensions que
j’ai
données sont celles du
deuxième
bracelet, qui lui a été réalisé en soie de pêche de 0,4 et qui a été
détruit. The dimensions I gave
are those of
the second
bracelet which was made with a 0.4mm fishing "silk" , this
bracelet was
destroyed.
La circonférence du
schéma
est donc de 125cm
environ soit un
diamètre de 40 cm, ce qui donne125x17
= 21 mètre de fil
environ The circumference of
the grids is about 125 cm or a 40 cm diameter
which give125 * 17 = 21 m
of
cordage or about[end quote]
---------------------------------------------------------------
so the BRACELET HALL OF FAME :
* First to make it and inventor of the single-strand grid which is NOT
in
ABoK = NORBERT TRUPIANO - FRANCE
* second to make that bracelet BARRY BROWN - UNITED
KINGDOM who will be third ? ( after third all places are as
equals as unoticeable ! )
Added
2010 Nov 8th
11:15 THIRD IS
AndreeTREFFENFELD ( Igkt-GERMANY )
He was among the first to be told of the bracelet being put on line,
he read the first version where I spoke of the cylinder I made with
the 2 grids and he was mislead by my ham-fisted attempt at clarifying
the use of the two type of templates (12 B and 14 B ).
So he ended up with this MINIATURE
which is not yet fully "faired and dressed".
*** this miniature demands a lot less time but offers
the same difficulties per centimeter than " 7+1
GRID" models and in the cordage it was done with and due also to the
angle of the shot it gives an ease of "visual acquisition of the
details" that I do not feel with the previous views.
Andree send this on 2010 Nov 19th : his RING made with NONO's grid
templates Photo
1Photo
2
" The template had a
diameter of 14 cm, the cord is flat nylon 2*1 mm, the inner diameter is
0,8 cm, the outer 2,4 cm. I started with 60 m
cord but since I did not follow the instruction and only glued together
one engine + one waggon, it was much too lenghty. As I am too proud (or
too tight-fisted) to cut the cord, I used the whole 100m spool and you
can imagine how long it took to produce the ring, especially when I
detected 4 flaws which I had to repair. (I welded together the start
and end of the cord and pulled this through the whole braid. At the
spot of the error, I cut and reglued the cord to repair the braid
without losing lenghts of cord.) I am still seeking
for some styropor or other foam which can serve as core for the 1+7
template but I intend to do the "big one" (even with the risk of
ruining christmas holidays.")
Well Courage Andree !
CLARIFICATION
AFTER BEING ASKED A QUESTION
The "main lenght" so to speak is given by the number
of 12 BIGHT grids used
the 14 BIGHTgrid is for "closing or re-entering the curve" to get
a circle.
So with a cordage of about ONE
millimetre ( Nono) to ONE
millimetre and
3/10 ( Barry ) in diameter Nono and Barry used SEVEN
of the 12 B
grids/templates PLUS
ONE
of the 14 B grid
+
12B
+
12B +
12B +
12B +
12B +12B
+12B +
14B +
+
gluing
zones close the circle ( look a Barry's
photo of his cylinder
, he redimmensionned
Nono's grid to his convenience ))
+
gluing
zone makes the
" main length"
+
gluing zone attached "the finishing 14
B" grid to the "main length"
Imagine the 14B
grid is the traction machine of a train , the 12 B
grids are the
wagons.
The front of traction machine links with the rear
of last
wagon of the train.
My simplistic 2-GRID
cylinder is a very short train = one traction
machine and one wagon .
+12B +
14B +
is NOT
a building unit,
NOT A LEGO
BRICK
but the FULL
construction.
The Building LEGO Bricks are of 2 types = 12 B and 14B and
ONLY
ONE 14
B is to be
used.
With a 4/10 of millimetre cordage Norbert used SEVENTEEN
( 17 ) of the
12 B grids and ONE
of the 14B grids +
12B
+
12B +
12B +
12B +
12B +12B
+12B +
12B +
12B +
12B +
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The crossing of wires in the explanation came from the fact that it was
Alcosinus's bracelet (7 + 1
) that was shown as illustration and that Norbert first wrote
of the ( 17+1) bracelet he had done for
his nephew.
Claude asked a question and I pestered every one ( Alain , Barry,
Norbert) to clarify .
Barry (he is a
really "one of a kind" guy with knots ) simply "counted"
on the photo and deduced 7 grids
plus 1 and had some luck with the
cordage diameter which was not grossly different from what
Norbert used for Alain's bracelet.
Added
2010 Dec 15th Yesterday
I got a real treasure as a gift : A bracelet by Nono PHOTO
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I got it yesterday evening in a mail common to Don
WRIGHT and I with just those words :
[open quote] Once again I cooked a pretty
little knot for the fans ! I give you
permission to forward the grid to those who want to make this knot.
I have neither the time nor the patience to write on this knot. What I
can say is that if it is put on a sphere, it will render Saturn
Planet aspect! You
are free to put it on the public place and to write any
complementing commentaries you may judge useful . Best
regards, Nono [end quote]
I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT
THIS KNOT BE KNOWN AS ILYESS
KNOT
in honour of Nono and Zohra's new
born son (came to us a
fortnight ago)
Nono cannot send a photo of his knot (no camera) but we can count on
Don WRIGHT to be making this one and sending illustrations.
03/08/2009
from Don WRIGHT [open quote] Wow! What a
nightmare this is. The cords are so close together it's hard to get
between and see if you go over or under. Lots of mistakes and undoing
and redoing. Going slower than expected and on top of that I
think I'm going to have to splice more line in as I must not have guess
close enough on the amount I needed. &*$%#*$$!. Still at it
anyway so I might be a little later with pics. [end quote]
Accompanying photo
04/08/2009
from Don
WRIGHT [open quote] A couple of
pics of completed grid around a 2.75 inch mandrel. I used 26 feet of
2mm
cord and was 5 feet short. Use a minimum of 32 feet at that size
mandrel. If you have
bigger paper. 81/2 X14 you can make a bigger
grid but you will need a larger mandrel
also. The one I used
was a bit to small to see the over under marking good and cord was
almost side by side on the bottom part. Took almost 8 full hours to
complete grid. Really slow going and but checking each straight shot as
you go will same you a lot of undo and redo time and frustration.
really easy to get cords off one hole. Will be interesting to see how
this goes on a ball as there seems to be a lot of irregular sections to
this grid, not a total over under grid with some big spaces between.
Time will tell. Going
take it
off of grid now and see what happens. Wish me luck. [end quote] Accompanying
photo
04/08/2009
from Don
WRIGHT later in the day [open
quote] After taking
off grid, disaster struck. ....
....
Ouch! What a
ball of string, it did not keep it's shape long enough to even get a
ball into the mess. Top part went boom real quick and the bottom
followed. Will have to straighten out mess to get a ball into the net
part. Yes I am ready to quit but I will at least try to fix it.
Might
require stronger drink to get through this one. Maybe if I get my eyes
crossed I won't notice the tangles and it will come out fine. Not a fun
one at all. If I get trough this it will be the only one in the world.
Trick will be to not tell of the trouble ahead and let them find out
for themselves. I don't think anybody will even try after they see the
mess it falls into when removed from the mandrel. I've be wrong before
but I think I got a sure bet on this. Amen [end quote]
Nono who
had been Cced
My translation/adaptation
[open quote] Quel
feuilleton !
What a TV series
C’est
la première fois que j’arrive à suivre une série « Américaine » en
comprenant
toutes les nuances et les subtilités des dialogues ! First time
that I can follow an American series while understanding all
the shades and
subtelities of the dialogs
Mais
pourquoi ils ne font pas de même à la télé ? Why don't they
do that on French TV ?
Si
mes matériaux de nouages n’étaient pas encore dans les cartons,
j’aurais
probablement réalisé « Saturne » moi-même, mais bon, la
transmettre à des
passionnés aussi mordus que moi est aussi une
expérience intéressante… il nous décrit très bien les difficultés qu’on
rencontre quotidiennement lors du nouage. If
my knotting gear was not still in the boxes, I would probably have made
"Saturne" myself, but then to give it to persons having the same
degree of passion I have is also a very interesting experience...the
difficulties encountered daily while making knots are shown very well.
Pour
ma part, je ne fait pas comme Don, directement avec un bout de 2mm :
j’utilise
du fil de voile de 0,2 mm ce qui me permet de voir le schéma
dessous, de corriger les
erreurs plus facilement (je coupe et je
ressoude au briquet au bon endroit) et quand le
mandrin est correct, je
passe mon fil de 2mm, après avoir enlevé les épingles, en me
servant du
fil de voile comme d’un guide après les avoir soudés bout-à-bout. As for me I do
not proceed as Don does, directly with a 2mm cord : I use a sailer
thread of
0.2 mm that allow me to see the template underneath,
to correct mistakes more easily ( I cut and "solder"
with a lighter at the correct place ) and when all is correct
I thread my 2 mm cord, after having taken off the pins, using the
sail thread as a guide after having oldered it end to end
( my comment s= see the article in KN that shows the mould system
)
Le
résultat est attendu, mais une bonne table familiale est plus
importante que tous les
nœuds du monde J l’instant familial est sacré
et doit être préservé coute que coute…
et surtout envers tout les
trépignements d’impatience des noueurs du monde entier qui
font
trembler la planète. Result
is waited for, but a good family table is more important than all the
knots in the world, the family moment is sacred and to be preserved at
all costs...in particular against the stamping in impatience of all the
knot tyers in the World that make the planet quake.
Il
faut que je précise une chose que j’ai failli oublier : la baderne de
base qui m’as
inspiré pour saturne est une réalisation de Pat
Ducey. N’oubliez pas de le préciser
dans vos articles. I
must state a precise point that I almost forgot : the mat that served
as starting point for my inspiration is the 8B by Pat
DUCEY. Don't
forget to say that in your articles
Mes
amis, j’attends la suite des évènements, « suspendu aux
doigts de Don ». My Friends I
am waiting what will happen next " suspended to Don's fingers" [end quote]
Added 2009 July
13th :
Another NONO's creation
:
joining 2 'THK-like structures' in a
DOUBLE SLEEVE KNOT ( think
cartridge belt limited to 2 cartridges ; in fact
Norbert
and Zhora TRUPIANO
being with a baby to come soon - not soon enough for them - it
could be a baby bottles holder ;-O) )
This
is NOT a
THK but it is a ONE STRAND structure. (Think
about Siamese THK if you want but this is NOT, I repeat NOT a THK ) IFF
you do not get why this is not a THK then I suggest that you read
SCHAAKE on the so-called """""CASA""""""
and that you read my own article on what is a THK THK are not braids
and THK
or NOT THK
Clearly this does not in the least obey the geometry of a single O-U
THK.
Saying that having one strand and regular Over-Under crossing is a
bit....err...short sighted.
First
one that NONO titled : 2
manchons entrelacés == 2 interlaced sleeves
Second
one that Nono titled : 2
manchons double entrelacés == 2 double sleeves interlaced
Be advised that
those grids are NOT to be used on a cylinder. They MUST BE
used FLAT on a cork board, just as if doing a mat.
After laying the knot then you carefully
search for
the double sleeve structure
in what you just laid and dress it *very*
carefully, doubling or tripling the first pass
if you feel like it.
Norbert said that this was just an exploration made to see if it could
be done and
that he has no intent to push it farther.
Last minute : a trusted friend of both Nono and I : DON(ald) WRIGHT
made one sample
of the knot : 4-PASS :
This should be more than enough for any knot-tyer worth his salt to
make his own.
[open quote]Two
more tries. 1st one in 2mm nylon cord-to slick to
hold shape.
Destroyed to salvage cord. 2nd one out of 2mm poly cord-more friction
and holds shape better. Found out that double means double the
frustration level also. Really harder to hold shape and double or
tripling will be an exercise in frustration. What the heck I'll try
anything ONCE. [end quote]
Added 2009 April
19th : Another of NONO's creation ( Norbert TRUPIANO
) COVERING
FOR CUBES